Comments on: Atheist Anne Rice’s Surprising Discovery http://www.coffeehousetheology.com The Unvarnished Truth About Religion, Christianity and Spirituality Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:27:14 -0600 hourly 1 By: max barker http://www.coffeehousetheology.com/anne-rice-atheist-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-33394 max barker Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:38:29 +0000 http://www.coffeehousetheology.com/?page_id=213#comment-33394 bert, it wouldn't matter which day you chose to do anything it would be some type of pagen holliday. if you would stop trying to have the supreme logic and simply look around on some clear night i think some of your confussion would dissappear( along with asking for some help from someone besides your intelligent friends ). ps you are not going to figure out GOD and/or JESUS , just pay attention to what they say instead of your buddies. bert, it wouldn’t matter which day you chose to do anything it would be some type of pagen holliday. if you would stop trying to have the supreme logic and simply look around on some clear night i think some of your confussion would dissappear( along with asking for some help from someone besides your intelligent friends ). ps you are not going to figure out GOD and/or JESUS , just pay attention to what they say instead of your buddies.

]]> By: George Cherian http://www.coffeehousetheology.com/anne-rice-atheist-christ/comment-page-8/#comment-33349 George Cherian Wed, 25 Jan 2012 03:04:13 +0000 http://www.coffeehousetheology.com/?page_id=213#comment-33349 Dear Daniel Paul, You seem to be a scholar and your ideas regarding Jesus happen to be something I have harbored for long. In addition to Paul's misinterpretation of Jesus there are other aspects of Christianity that a scholar like you could pursue. This line of investigation may start with the Synod decisions of Nicaea and subsequent Synods that lay the foundations of today's Christian religion. To start with the final draft of the synod of Nicaea was approved by Constantine the Roman emperor whose credentials in literacy and adherence to Christianity are indeed questionable. All Christian churches all over the world were influenced by the creed although many may have disowned it in whole or in part.Do research with an open mind and you will see how those who follow the true Jesus have been mislead all these years. Good luck to your efforts. Cherian Dear Daniel Paul,
You seem to be a scholar and your ideas regarding Jesus happen to be something I have harbored for long. In addition to Paul’s misinterpretation of Jesus there are other aspects of Christianity that a scholar like you could pursue. This line of investigation may start with the Synod decisions of Nicaea and subsequent Synods that lay the foundations of today’s Christian religion. To start with the final draft of the synod of Nicaea was approved by Constantine the Roman emperor whose credentials in literacy and adherence to Christianity are indeed questionable. All Christian churches all over the world were influenced by the creed although many may have disowned it in whole or in part.Do research with an open mind and you will see how those who follow the true Jesus have been mislead all these years. Good luck to your efforts.
Cherian

]]> By: Daniel Paul K http://www.coffeehousetheology.com/anne-rice-atheist-christ/comment-page-8/#comment-33104 Daniel Paul K Sun, 15 Jan 2012 03:24:26 +0000 http://www.coffeehousetheology.com/?page_id=213#comment-33104 I was born in a Christian family. Being brought up as a Christian I started studying bible believing Jesus is the Christ and son of God. I happened to believe that Jews lost their kingdom and they were scattered all over the world and was subjected to indescribable sufferings and persecutions because they rejected Jesus and crucified him. When I studied Bible and Jewish history I found they are not a lot to be hated and to be ignored. The hatred, reproach, persecutions, killings and sufferings they met in this world annoyed my mind very much. Being a Christian I believed that If Jews can accept Jesus as Christ and son of God they can overcome all their problems and find out everlasting peace in their life. I intended to write a book to convince them undoubtedly that Jesus is the Christ and son of God. With this intention in mind I again began to study Bible and history to collect materials for my book. I spent whole my life for this venture, I can say about 45 years I spent to study Bible and history. . To my great astonishment and against to all my expectations and wishes I found Christian Religion is not built upon the teachings of Jesus. In fact Jesus never claimed he is the messiah or son of god. Christian belief and preaching from A to Z is wrong. Christian religion is the culmination of wrong interpretation of Bible. Hence I found A new and different interpretation is necessary to reveal the hidden truth in the New Testament. Why? St.Paul, known as the master builder of Christianity says “We know in part and we prophecy in part” (1.Cori.13:9) If knowledge of Paul and other apostles are not full and perfect, how can their interpretation or teaching be perfect? Paul continues, “But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away” (13:10) It is evident from the words of Paul that he expects that which is perfect will come. So He advises us, “ Leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and faith towards God, of the doctrine of baptisms, or laying on hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.” (Hebr.6: 1-2) Do Christians have any thing new to say other than what Paul mentions as the elementary principles of Christ? Paul is certain that the things they taught the Christians are not perfect. That is why Paul says, “I could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it.”(Cori.3:1,2) Paul said it at the childhood of Christianity. 2000 years have passed and still Christians are drinking the milk provided by Paul. Are not the Christians now able to take solid food? Paul says, “ When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, but when I became a man, I put away childish things.” (Cori.13:11) Paul wants the Christian religion to do away with childish things when it will attain maturity. Can any one always remain a child? Has not Christian religion grown up enough to understand the hidden truth in New Testament? A new and different interpretation is necessary to reveal the hidden truth in the New Testament.. Jesus said “ Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword “. (Mt.10:34) Main function of Messiah is to bring peace, but stating I have come to bring a sword Jesus clearly says he is not the messiah. But What the world think about Jesus ? Even the persons who do not believe Jesus is Christ and son of God think that Jesus was the prince of peace. And the world celebrates the birth day of Jesus exchanging wishes for peace. It is interesting we don’t know the exact date of birth of Jesus. Do you think that Jesus was a liar to tell “I did not come to bring peace but a sword”? Jesus Said “ I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel” Mt. 15:24. Jesus didn’t went out side of Israel for preaching, not only that He instructed his followers “ Do not go into the way of the Gentiles and do not enter a city of Gentiles , but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel “. But what the world think about Jesus ? Christians all over the world believe that Jesus came to save human beings all over the world from their sins. Again Was Jesus a liar to tell “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel“? Before his death Jesus prayed to God “ Father I have glorified you on the earth. I have finished the work which you have given me to do. John 15:7. I have manifested your name to the men whom you have given me out of the world. They were yours, they have kept your word. I have given to them the words which you have given me. I pray for them, I do not pray for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours. Now I am no longer in this world but they are in the world. I do not pray that you should not to take them out of the world, but that you should keep them from the evil one” (John.15:6,9,11,15). Remember Jesus preached only in the synagogues of Jews and nowhere else. So Jesus gave the word of God only to the Jews and he prayed for Jews only and Jesus said “ I do not pray for the world” . Why Jesus the person who came to save the world pray for Jews only ? And who is this evil one in the world? Jesus commanded his disciples ( not merely instructed ) that they should tell no one that He was Jesus the Christ. Mt.16:20. Then why Peter and apostles preached Jesus was the Christ? Jesus Said ,” Not every one who says to me. Lord, :Lord “ shall enter the kingdom of heave, but he who does the will of my father in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have not prophesied in your name, cast out demons in your names, and many wonders in your name ? And then I will declare to them I never knew you, depart from me, you who practice lawlessness.” Mt. 7:21-23. Will anybody other than a Christian will call Jesus “Lord ,Lord”. Will anybody other than a Christian can do miracles in the name of Jesus ? Will anybody other than a Christian prophecy in the name of Jesus ? Then why Jesus will tell them I never knew you? Is Jesus a Cheat to say like that to his disciples ? My book will give accurate answer for unanswered questions like this. My book will prove very systematically that Christian religion is the result of wrong interpretation of Bible. Then was the apostles of Jesus misleading the world or cheating the world ? Why all these things happened? Answer for this question is in the words of Jesus “ Do not think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill”. How Jesus fulfilled the Law ? My book will reveal the astonishing unbelievable mystery. Will you examine my work and if you are convinced that my work is worth to be published, will you please help me to publish my work. Daniel Please send your reply through daniel.benzion@gmail.com I was born in a Christian family.

Being brought up as a Christian I started studying bible believing Jesus is the Christ and son of God. I happened to believe that Jews lost their kingdom and they were scattered all over the world and was subjected to indescribable sufferings and persecutions because they rejected Jesus and crucified him. When I studied Bible and Jewish history I found they are not a lot to be hated and to be ignored. The hatred, reproach, persecutions, killings and sufferings they met in this world annoyed my mind very much.

Being a Christian I believed that If Jews can accept Jesus as Christ and son of God they can overcome all their problems and find out everlasting peace in their life. I intended to write a book to convince them undoubtedly that Jesus is the Christ and son of God. With this intention in mind I again began to study Bible and history to collect materials for my book. I spent whole my life for this venture, I can say about 45 years I spent to study Bible and history. .

To my great astonishment and against to all my expectations and wishes I found Christian Religion is not built upon the teachings of Jesus. In fact Jesus never claimed he is the messiah or son of god. Christian belief and preaching from A to Z is wrong. Christian religion is the culmination of wrong interpretation of Bible. Hence I found A new and different interpretation is necessary to reveal the hidden truth in the New Testament. Why?

St.Paul, known as the master builder of Christianity says “We know in part and we prophecy in part” (1.Cori.13:9) If knowledge of Paul and other apostles are not full and perfect, how can their interpretation or teaching be perfect? Paul continues, “But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away” (13:10) It is evident from the words of Paul that he expects that which is perfect will come. So He advises us, “ Leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and faith towards God, of the doctrine of baptisms, or laying on hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.” (Hebr.6: 1-2) Do Christians have any thing new to say other than what Paul mentions as the elementary principles of Christ?

Paul is certain that the things they taught the Christians are not perfect. That is why Paul says, “I could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it.”(Cori.3:1,2) Paul said it at the childhood of Christianity. 2000 years have passed and still Christians are drinking the milk provided by Paul. Are not the Christians now able to take solid food?

Paul says, “ When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, but when I became a man, I put away childish things.” (Cori.13:11) Paul wants the Christian religion to do away with childish things when it will attain maturity. Can any one always remain a child? Has not Christian religion grown up enough to understand the hidden truth in New Testament? A new and different interpretation is necessary to reveal the hidden truth in the New Testament..

Jesus said “ Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword “. (Mt.10:34) Main function of Messiah is to bring peace, but stating I have come to bring a sword Jesus clearly says he is not the messiah. But What the world think about Jesus ? Even the persons who do not believe Jesus is Christ and son of God think that Jesus was the prince of peace. And the world celebrates the birth day of Jesus exchanging wishes for peace. It is interesting we don’t know the exact date of birth of Jesus. Do you think that Jesus was a liar to tell “I did not come to bring peace but a sword”?

Jesus Said “ I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel”
Mt. 15:24. Jesus didn’t went out side of Israel for preaching, not only that He instructed his followers “ Do not go into the way of the Gentiles and do not enter a city of Gentiles , but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel “. But what the world think about Jesus ? Christians all over the world believe that Jesus came to save human beings all over the world from their sins. Again Was Jesus a liar to tell “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel“?

Before his death Jesus prayed to God “ Father I have glorified you on the earth.
I have finished the work which you have given me to do. John 15:7. I have manifested your name to the men whom you have given me out of the world.
They were yours, they have kept your word. I have given to them the words which you have given me. I pray for them, I do not pray for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours. Now I am no longer in this world but they are in the world. I do not pray that you should not to take them out of the world, but that you should keep them from the evil one” (John.15:6,9,11,15). Remember Jesus preached only in the synagogues of Jews and nowhere else. So Jesus gave the word of God only to the Jews and he prayed for Jews only and Jesus said “ I do not pray for the world” . Why Jesus the person who came to save the world pray for Jews only ? And who is this evil one in the world?

Jesus commanded his disciples ( not merely instructed ) that they should tell no one that He was Jesus the Christ. Mt.16:20. Then why Peter and apostles preached Jesus was the Christ?

Jesus Said ,” Not every one who says to me. Lord, :Lord “ shall enter the kingdom of heave, but he who does the will of my father in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have not prophesied in your name, cast out demons in your names, and many wonders in your name ? And then I will declare to them I never knew you, depart from me, you who practice lawlessness.” Mt. 7:21-23. Will anybody other than a Christian will call Jesus “Lord ,Lord”. Will anybody other than a Christian can do miracles in the name of Jesus ? Will anybody other than a Christian prophecy in the name of Jesus ? Then why Jesus will tell them I never knew you? Is Jesus a Cheat to say like that to his disciples ?

My book will give accurate answer for unanswered questions like this. My book will prove very systematically that Christian religion is the result of wrong interpretation of Bible. Then was the apostles of Jesus misleading the world or cheating the world ? Why all these things happened? Answer for this question is in the words of Jesus “ Do not think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill”. How Jesus fulfilled the Law ? My book will reveal the astonishing unbelievable mystery.

Will you examine my work and if you are convinced that my work is worth to be published, will you please help me to publish my work.
Daniel

Please send your reply through
daniel.benzion@gmail.com

]]> By: Arnold Evers http://www.coffeehousetheology.com/anne-rice-atheist-christ/comment-page-8/#comment-32706 Arnold Evers Sun, 01 Jan 2012 23:59:00 +0000 http://www.coffeehousetheology.com/?page_id=213#comment-32706 Hey Carlos, I've just now stumbled across your post. Your position tells me that you've not read this book. I've only thusfar scratched it's surface, but can clearly see that its revelation to mankind is devine in nature and content. Regards, Hey Carlos,
I’ve just now stumbled across your post. Your position tells me that you’ve not read this book. I’ve only thusfar scratched it’s surface, but can clearly see that its revelation to mankind is devine in nature and content. Regards,

]]> By: Arnold Evers http://www.coffeehousetheology.com/anne-rice-atheist-christ/comment-page-8/#comment-32705 Arnold Evers Sun, 01 Jan 2012 23:36:37 +0000 http://www.coffeehousetheology.com/?page_id=213#comment-32705 Hello there George. Our Mars rover Curiosity, will soon prove for all to finally know what our governmant has know ever since Roswell, if not before. That being, we are by no means alone. If you are truly a scientist, please thumb thru The Urantia Book for science related sections of interest. You will soon come to see that the big bang theory was kinda neat but totally and completely wrong. Google TUB Timeline, that starts some 950 billion when approval for the creation of our Universe was granted. Keep an open mind and you will be sharing this revelation with your fellow scientists, family and freinds. May God bless and keep safe our troubled world Hello there George. Our Mars rover Curiosity, will soon prove for all to finally know what our governmant has know ever since Roswell, if not before. That being, we are by no means alone. If you are truly a scientist, please thumb thru The Urantia Book for science related sections of interest. You will soon come to see that the big bang theory was kinda neat but totally and completely wrong. Google TUB Timeline, that starts some 950 billion when approval for the creation of our Universe was granted. Keep an open mind and you will be sharing this revelation with your fellow scientists, family and freinds. May God bless and keep safe our troubled world

]]> By: Arnold Evers http://www.coffeehousetheology.com/anne-rice-atheist-christ/comment-page-8/#comment-32703 Arnold Evers Sun, 01 Jan 2012 23:02:26 +0000 http://www.coffeehousetheology.com/?page_id=213#comment-32703 Subject: The Urantia Book. Hello everyone. May I respectfully suggest that, if possible, you each put you belief system on temporary hold while you peruse this text for a topic of interest. Dive in and please do not allow your mind to slam shut too soon. Buckle your seatbelt and continue on to receive what has been referred to as our Creator's sweeping revelation to mankind. Just as He once sent his Son to elevate our conscience, so too has He arranged for this message of enlightenment. Check out Wekipedia for what they have to say about the book, including how it came into being; published in 1955. Google TUB timeline, which starts with the authorization for our Universe creation some 950 billion years ago. If there are any scientists out there you'll note it reveals information we have not yet come to understand; and much has been proven true since its publishing. May those of you who have their interest ignited, enjoy and be enlightened. Someone was first to say that "truth is stranger than fiction" and my heart tells me this book epitomizes this phrase. Share it with others if you feel the Truth is contained therein. May God bless and keep safe our troubled world. Best regards, ASE Subject: The Urantia Book. Hello everyone. May I respectfully suggest that, if possible, you each put you belief system on temporary hold while you peruse this text for a topic of interest. Dive in and please do not allow your mind to slam shut too soon. Buckle your seatbelt and continue on to receive what has been referred to as our Creator’s sweeping revelation to mankind. Just as He once sent his Son to elevate our conscience, so too has He arranged for this message of enlightenment. Check out Wekipedia for what they have to say about the book, including how it came into being; published in 1955. Google TUB timeline, which starts with the authorization for our Universe creation some 950 billion years ago. If there are any scientists out there you’ll note it reveals information we have not yet come to understand; and much has been proven true since its publishing. May those of you who have their interest ignited, enjoy and be enlightened. Someone was first to say that “truth is stranger than fiction” and my heart tells me this book epitomizes this phrase. Share it with others if you feel the Truth is contained therein. May God bless and keep safe our troubled world. Best regards, ASE

]]> By: Barbara Denham http://www.coffeehousetheology.com/anne-rice-atheist-christ/comment-page-8/#comment-32481 Barbara Denham Sat, 24 Dec 2011 20:52:50 +0000 http://www.coffeehousetheology.com/?page_id=213#comment-32481 I see 'God' as being Universal Consciousness/Universal Self or Universal 'I'. And, as I see it, we Evolve UP through numerous levels of Consciousness until we are Complete (Whole). When this happens, then we become ONE with Universal Self, Or, put simply, the Universal 'I'. Which also 'I'. THE FIRST 3 basic levels of human consciousness are: 'I AM ME'. They're also the 'hidden' meaning of the words,(The 3 IN 1). Meaning: I+I+I placed one above the other.(But, just as straight lines), and all being 'the self' or 'I'. So, having said this, my question is: That as 'God' created evolution and man created religion, and Jews have only been around for a few thousand years, and, as they themselves would agree, 'they are a race apart', why would God choose a Jew to be 'the Saviour' of the human race? For, no one can evolve to become a Jew. Yet, a Jew can evolve to become 'ME' (The same can be said for other religions also. But, we are not generalising here). I will not accept the answer - 'that we are not supposed to question 'God's decisions'. We have evolved to be an 'Intelligent' species. Therefore, we should use this intelligence - to question EVERYTHING. I see ‘God’ as being Universal Consciousness/Universal Self or
Universal ‘I’. And, as I see it, we Evolve UP through numerous levels of Consciousness until we are Complete (Whole). When this happens, then we become ONE with Universal Self, Or, put simply, the Universal ‘I’. Which also ‘I’.
THE FIRST 3 basic levels of human consciousness are: ‘I AM ME’. They’re also the ‘hidden’ meaning of the words,(The 3 IN 1).
Meaning: I+I+I placed one above the other.(But, just as straight lines), and all being ‘the self’ or ‘I’.

So, having said this, my question is: That as ‘God’ created
evolution and man created religion, and Jews have only been around for a few thousand years, and, as they themselves would agree, ‘they are a race apart’, why would God choose a Jew to be ‘the Saviour’ of the human race? For, no one can evolve to become a Jew. Yet, a Jew can evolve to become ‘ME’

(The same can be said for other religions also. But, we are not generalising here).

I will not accept the answer – ‘that we are not supposed to question ‘God’s decisions’. We have evolved to be an ‘Intelligent’ species. Therefore, we should use this intelligence – to question EVERYTHING.

]]> By: Avon Bellamy http://www.coffeehousetheology.com/anne-rice-atheist-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-27668 Avon Bellamy Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:26:20 +0000 http://www.coffeehousetheology.com/?page_id=213#comment-27668 The belief that the truth of God's existence is based upon whether or not flawed humans failed to live out a series of precepts is illogical in the extreme. It's tantamount to me saying that you don't exist because your children refuse to do the things you taught them. Paying lip service to God while refusing to live the things that He teaches in no way invalidates God - it just further proves the truth of who we are. As Chesterton said, "Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and not tried." No one who has ever authentically followed the life and words of Christ can be accused of adding to the world's evil while doing so. The belief that the truth of God’s existence is based upon whether or not flawed humans failed to live out a series of precepts is illogical in the extreme. It’s tantamount to me saying that you don’t exist because your children refuse to do the things you taught them. Paying lip service to God while refusing to live the things that He teaches in no way invalidates God – it just further proves the truth of who we are. As Chesterton said, “Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and not tried.” No one who has ever authentically followed the life and words of Christ can be accused of adding to the world’s evil while doing so.

]]> By: tony bryant http://www.coffeehousetheology.com/anne-rice-atheist-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-26807 tony bryant Tue, 18 Oct 2011 07:24:52 +0000 http://www.coffeehousetheology.com/?page_id=213#comment-26807 I got 'this idea' as you call it from media articles. Clerical abuse continues and priests' superiors continue the cover-up. Yet another example of corruption. And what about the recent revelation that priests and nuns in Spain stole and sold babies in Spain until the 1990's? To quote Nietzche again; ' If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities'. I got ‘this idea’ as you call it from media articles.
Clerical abuse continues and priests’ superiors continue the cover-up. Yet another example of corruption.
And what about the recent revelation that priests and nuns in Spain stole and sold babies in Spain until the 1990’s?
To quote Nietzche again; ‘ If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities’.

]]> By: perrymarshall http://www.coffeehousetheology.com/anne-rice-atheist-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-26785 perrymarshall Mon, 17 Oct 2011 23:49:11 +0000 http://www.coffeehousetheology.com/?page_id=213#comment-26785 "this church has not excommunicated priests for raping children." Where did you ever get that idea? “this church has not excommunicated priests for raping children.”

Where did you ever get that idea?

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