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	<title>Comments on: Lie #1: &#8216;If you live a moral life, deny yourself pleasure, follow the prescribed rituals and give us enough money, you&#8217;ll have a decent shot at being accepted by God.&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Rob Fiander</title>
		<link>http://www.coffeehousetheology.com/morals-pleasure-money-god/comment-page-1/#comment-43265</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Fiander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 11:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Golz comment:
----Naturally, Mr. Golz. Too obvious to say, really. 
I should add that I think that real political power, now and throughout history, has been behind the scenes. Political leaders are usually marionettes controlled by money changers and central banks. Hence, the blaming of God for human misery--in yesteryear and in today&#039;s world--is a symptom of the inane self-righteousness of God&#039;s accusers. More importantly, the persistent blaming of God for human misery is a symptom of  how the powers that be have turned scrutiny away from themselves and toward the blameless deity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Golz comment:<br />
&#8212;-Naturally, Mr. Golz. Too obvious to say, really.<br />
I should add that I think that real political power, now and throughout history, has been behind the scenes. Political leaders are usually marionettes controlled by money changers and central banks. Hence, the blaming of God for human misery&#8211;in yesteryear and in today&#8217;s world&#8211;is a symptom of the inane self-righteousness of God&#8217;s accusers. More importantly, the persistent blaming of God for human misery is a symptom of  how the powers that be have turned scrutiny away from themselves and toward the blameless deity.</p>
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		<title>By: William arce</title>
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		<dc:creator>William arce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 05:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually as it is written in Revelations/Apocalypses God gave us what we wanted and that was Blood because we are bloodthirsty</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually as it is written in Revelations/Apocalypses God gave us what we wanted and that was Blood because we are bloodthirsty</p>
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		<title>By: Chris de Vidal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris de Vidal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2011 03:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perry Marshall, a quick unrelated question: Do you know where I can learn P.J. Eby&#039;s motivational techniques from a Christian perspective?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perry Marshall, a quick unrelated question: Do you know where I can learn P.J. Eby&#8217;s motivational techniques from a Christian perspective?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Golz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Golz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although to a lesser extent, anyone who can afford to help those less fortunate but choose not to are at fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although to a lesser extent, anyone who can afford to help those less fortunate but choose not to are at fault.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Fiander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Fiander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 23:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m always amazed to hear people blame God for such things as children who do not have enough to eat. Why not blame the real culprits? They are, and, over the ages, have always been, the leaders of government and business, in the form of presidents, dictators, kings, queens, and princes, who hoard profits for their own self-aggrandizement at the expense of the average wage-earner, subject, or citizen. If you really want to find an evil-doer to accuse of something, it&#039;s much easier to just look around in your own environment, past or present, instead of pointing a self-righteous finger at heaven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m always amazed to hear people blame God for such things as children who do not have enough to eat. Why not blame the real culprits? They are, and, over the ages, have always been, the leaders of government and business, in the form of presidents, dictators, kings, queens, and princes, who hoard profits for their own self-aggrandizement at the expense of the average wage-earner, subject, or citizen. If you really want to find an evil-doer to accuse of something, it&#8217;s much easier to just look around in your own environment, past or present, instead of pointing a self-righteous finger at heaven.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Hodge</title>
		<link>http://www.coffeehousetheology.com/morals-pleasure-money-god/comment-page-2/#comment-5704</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Hodge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 15:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a major problem with the atetaqment at the top of this article. That is this:

Lie #1: ‘If you live a moral life, deny yourself pleasure, follow the prescribed rituals and give us enough money, you’ll have a decent shot at being accepted by God.’

Yes, there are those who would claim to be &#039;Christian&#039; who might say something like this. But the problem is, critics of Christianity nearly always go by what &#039;men&#039; say. What is normally considered to be organised religion are denominations founded not upon a biblical foundation, but on the desires and misinterpretations of self righteous men and women.

Christianity is not a series of rituals, nor is it something that denies pleasure. Yes, there are some religious groups who give that impression, but they should not be taken as representing Christianity. Biblically based Christians would never suggest that to be accepted by God one has to give money to have a &#039;shot at being accepted by God.&#039; 

Acceptance by God is on the basis of faith in Him, and that is not &#039;blind faith,&#039; but the acceptance of the truth of God and Christ through study and examination of the Bible and historical record. 

It is fascinating how critics only look at what they want to see. No matter how often we stress the truth about Christianity, and the rejection of the denominations that present a false picture of our faith, they will still come out with the same clap trap arguments against Christianity.

What are they afraid off? Well, I suppose if people dent something long enough and loud enough, they will eventually manage to deafen themselves to the message. The problem is, no matter how much they disbelieve, how mush they rage against it, at the end of the day one of us will be right and one wrong. The critic hopes he is right, then he has nothing to fear. The Christian has nothing to worry about, because if we are wrong, we have nothing to fear either. But if, as we believe, we are right, we have everything to gain. The critic has everything to lose.

Maybe I will answer the other &quot;lies&quot; later. So folks, just for once, remove the blinkers, open your minds to the possibility you might not be as correct as you hope you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a major problem with the atetaqment at the top of this article. That is this:</p>
<p>Lie #1: ‘If you live a moral life, deny yourself pleasure, follow the prescribed rituals and give us enough money, you’ll have a decent shot at being accepted by God.’</p>
<p>Yes, there are those who would claim to be &#8216;Christian&#8217; who might say something like this. But the problem is, critics of Christianity nearly always go by what &#8216;men&#8217; say. What is normally considered to be organised religion are denominations founded not upon a biblical foundation, but on the desires and misinterpretations of self righteous men and women.</p>
<p>Christianity is not a series of rituals, nor is it something that denies pleasure. Yes, there are some religious groups who give that impression, but they should not be taken as representing Christianity. Biblically based Christians would never suggest that to be accepted by God one has to give money to have a &#8217;shot at being accepted by God.&#8217; </p>
<p>Acceptance by God is on the basis of faith in Him, and that is not &#8216;blind faith,&#8217; but the acceptance of the truth of God and Christ through study and examination of the Bible and historical record. </p>
<p>It is fascinating how critics only look at what they want to see. No matter how often we stress the truth about Christianity, and the rejection of the denominations that present a false picture of our faith, they will still come out with the same clap trap arguments against Christianity.</p>
<p>What are they afraid off? Well, I suppose if people dent something long enough and loud enough, they will eventually manage to deafen themselves to the message. The problem is, no matter how much they disbelieve, how mush they rage against it, at the end of the day one of us will be right and one wrong. The critic hopes he is right, then he has nothing to fear. The Christian has nothing to worry about, because if we are wrong, we have nothing to fear either. But if, as we believe, we are right, we have everything to gain. The critic has everything to lose.</p>
<p>Maybe I will answer the other &#8220;lies&#8221; later. So folks, just for once, remove the blinkers, open your minds to the possibility you might not be as correct as you hope you are.</p>
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		<title>By: perrymarshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>perrymarshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2010 03:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) See http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/blog/genesis1/ and
http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/audio/newevidence.htm

2) The New Testament clearly teaches that Jesus was born but not created:

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood[a] it. 
 14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[d] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. 

Isaiah 9:6: For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

I understand this is very different from the Islamic understanding of Jesus. The Koran denies that Jesus is God but the New Testament authors are emphatic that Jesus is both God and man. The Koran denies that Jesus rose from the dead but the New Testament authors are emphatic that he did.

3) If Hitler, Mau etc left this earth without asking God for forgiveness, then they have no choice but to pay the penalty for their sin. On the other hand they are just as eligible to be forgiven as anyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) See <a href="http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/blog/genesis1/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/blog/genesis1/</a> and<br />
<a href="http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/audio/newevidence.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/audio/newevidence.htm</a></p>
<p>2) The New Testament clearly teaches that Jesus was born but not created:</p>
<p>1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.<br />
 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood[a] it.<br />
 14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[d] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. </p>
<p>Isaiah 9:6: For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.</p>
<p>I understand this is very different from the Islamic understanding of Jesus. The Koran denies that Jesus is God but the New Testament authors are emphatic that Jesus is both God and man. The Koran denies that Jesus rose from the dead but the New Testament authors are emphatic that he did.</p>
<p>3) If Hitler, Mau etc left this earth without asking God for forgiveness, then they have no choice but to pay the penalty for their sin. On the other hand they are just as eligible to be forgiven as anyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Grier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Grier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 16:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very intriguing comments on this board. I won&#039;t attempt to creat a brilliant argument but I will say a couple things. First, I think it makes life easier for some of us if we have God to blame - although he doesn&#039;t exist. It gets us off the hook. We can blame him for rape, murder, starvation, disease and every other evil instead of doing something about it. Secondly and finally, I know that God exists, loves me and loves every other person that lives. Love wouldn&#039;t be love if it was forced...it&#039;s our choice to love God. Because many have chosen not to love God but the world instead, there is evil and there is junk that happens. I can&#039;t explain it all but I still believe in and trust God. One day, my faith will be sight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very intriguing comments on this board. I won&#8217;t attempt to creat a brilliant argument but I will say a couple things. First, I think it makes life easier for some of us if we have God to blame &#8211; although he doesn&#8217;t exist. It gets us off the hook. We can blame him for rape, murder, starvation, disease and every other evil instead of doing something about it. Secondly and finally, I know that God exists, loves me and loves every other person that lives. Love wouldn&#8217;t be love if it was forced&#8230;it&#8217;s our choice to love God. Because many have chosen not to love God but the world instead, there is evil and there is junk that happens. I can&#8217;t explain it all but I still believe in and trust God. One day, my faith will be sight.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Adeoye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip Adeoye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 17:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some &quot;Christians&quot; today may act like the Pharisees of times gone by, but being &quot;Christ-like&quot; is the ultimate goal. Remember, Christians are only &quot;saved sinners.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some &#8220;Christians&#8221; today may act like the Pharisees of times gone by, but being &#8220;Christ-like&#8221; is the ultimate goal. Remember, Christians are only &#8220;saved sinners.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Golz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Golz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 05:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you ever read any of Luke, you may notice that many parts advocate women, or at least show no bias against them.</description>
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